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My name is Ezra Packard, and today is October 23, 2023. Welcome to the Emory Oral History Program. I am sitting here, um, at Crack in the Sidewalk farm in South Atlanta with Isa and Chris Cooper. Do you mind both briefly, just introducing yourself, like your name and position, stuff like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=0.0,23.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIsa C.:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so I'm Isa Cooper, and I am the flower grower on this farm. Um, started out growing produce primarily, and we co equally have managed the farm together. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=23.0,41.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eChris C.:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, I'm Chris Clinton, actually. We're both the co-founders of this project, I guess, with another friend at the time, back in the day. Um, jack of all trades, I don't know. I joke that I'm the mule. *laughter*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=41.0,55.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Great. Isa, can you start by telling me a little bit about where you grew up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=55.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, so I primarily grew up in Riverdale, Georgia, uh, not far from the airport. Um, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=60.0,68.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Nice. And, um, can you talk about, like, what the, what the natural surroundings of Riverdale Georgia is like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=68.0,77.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, when, when I was a kid, it was kind of in like that, that space in between going from an older town with more woods to being developed, so there were still, like, a lot of open fields and wooded areas, and over time, it's definitely become more, more suburban area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=77.0,97.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Was the airport part of that development, or was it other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=97.0,101.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I definitely think being in proximity to the airport definitely was appealing to the development. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=101.0,106.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=106.0,106.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=106.0,106.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And how did that, um, change or impact maybe your relationship to nature as a kid? Were you outdoors a lot? Or…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=106.0,114.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I was, but I'll really say that, I think, you know, to back it up a little bit, I didn't. I wasn't born there. I bounced around through foster homes, and in one of the foster homes that I lived in, it was on, out in the country on an old farm, and I remember walking around with some of the other foster kids, like in open fields, I remember eating violets as like a four year old. I remember it being like that connection with, with the other children being like the most at peace that I felt, so I think that that was probably what really planted that seed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=114.0,151.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=151.0,151.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=151.0,151.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you have an outdoorsy family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=151.0,155.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I did. I actually grew up in Girl Scouts, so there was a lot of camping, a whole lot of camping, and my dad and I, growing up, would always like take walks in the woods and go camping as well. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=155.0,169.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=169.0,169.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=169.0,170.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e So more camping, hiking than agricultural?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=170.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=175.0,176.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, great. And Chris, where did you grow up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=176.0,179.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I grew up, uh, in Douglas County, next county to the west, in Lithia Springs, about half mile from Sweetwater Park.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=179.0,188.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=188.0,190.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that is, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=190.0,191.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e So were you out of doors a lot as a kid as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=191.0,193.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e *Nods* Yeah, outside kid, for the most part, I've always been woodsy and outdoorsy. Um, kind of same thing, though, not…you know, I was exposed to, like, gardening at, you know, at kind of a pittant scale, but not really AG, um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=193.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Were your parents the ones that did some gardening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=210.0,215.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, my grandparents always had at least some things, um. I think my dad would, you know, he’d have some tomatoes and, you know, a few little like, kind of the normal, you know, entry level stuff. Um, I think I just kind of got interested on it from there on my own. Um, not that I really did much with that as a child or teen or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=215.0,239.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Do you remember the beginnings then of your interest in agriculture or food?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=239.0,248.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I've always liked eating, so food, foods kind of always been there, I think, but, uh, um, a lot of the agricultural stuff, I kind of come in *hand motion* somewhat backwards, I guess, you know, the outdoorsy stuff kinda was more primary, and so some exposure to, like, foraging and just that, that kinda idea of just like living off the land, and actually, like, I mean, some of my early, early thinking was, like, pretty anti agriculture, you know, as like a thing that caused many problems, so it's internalizing those *hand motinon* but still, what do you do? Cross those stepping stones, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=248.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e And Isa was that the same or different for you in terms of your introduction?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=300.0,306.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I've always also loved food, and I think as a teenager, I was exploring, you know, my own independence and individuality and, and getting into activism, so naturally, I became a vegetarian, and then explored other like health food pathways from there, and then in my early 20s, I worked in hospice care and really started taking food much more seriously, and health and just our relationship to food in general, and that married with just love of nature and the cost of food and the cost of healthy food, just wanting to have more independence around that. I started like growing small gardens with friends and learning and failing and learning some more, yeah. And then also, like, the foraging as well, I remember in those earlier years, in my 20s, just little like weeds, like, like normal things that you grew up with, that, that you knew that were maybe like, okay to eat, like little dandelion greens and little violet flowers and leaves, and then it just really opened up from there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=306.0,382.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this is a question maybe for both of you, I guess, but why did foraging feel so important to you, especially maybe when you were younger?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=382.0,391.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's just about, for me, growing up with kind of less money and scarcity, I think there was a lot of power in being able to find something and, and feed yourself, and I think it's, for me, also just kind of a, a way to, to not be so dependent, or to say that like, Oh, I have to, I always need money to nourish myself, I think that's really important, and to think about where we might, you know, find ourselves in the future, Chris and I, like if, if we find the piece of property that we want, how we can keep our a lot of our financial needs, needs, you know, a little bit smaller so we don't have to work ourselves to death, and, and, there's also a lot of fun in foraging. It really connects you to, like the cyclical nature of nature, and just like the all the ritual around it, and I really like ritual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=391.0,454.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"EP What about you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=454.0,455.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think it's like that. I think most people probably had the experience like picking blackberries or something as a kid at least, a you know, maybe not some city kids is the youngest generation now, I don't know, but you know, for, for us, that was definitely a thing, and I think that's like, very like formative, like learning experience that, like food, doesn't just this mysterious chain *hand motion* of how it appears in the kitchen, you know, through your family providing food or, you know, going out to eat, or the grocery store or something, just being like, Oh, *points* there's things you can eat, and it's a lot more than blackberries. It's kind of an endless, an endless thing where you can connect and learn more and relate year to year, in an ever-deeping way, and then, yeah, sort of resiliency and things like that are appealing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=455.0,517.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think your guys' relationships to food really changed over time as you started getting more into small gardens, into foraging as you entered your teenage years, versus how you interacted with food maybe in your childhood years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=517.0,537.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely, I would say as a kid, just like most kids, I just wanted whatever was yummy, whatever was tasty, and then as a teenager, getting more into making my own choices about food. You know, being focused more on like, what were the effects of producing this food? What were the impacts of that? Yeah. *Looks to Chris*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=537.0,566.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, for sure. You know, I alluded to that sort of, like critique of agriculture and stuff, and that was kind of going through like a reevaluation of diet you know, late teens, early 20s, where, you know, I went through my vegetarian phase, and that kind of stuff, and, you know…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=566.0,586.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e And what was that critique of agriculture for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=586.0,588.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, some of the normal stuff, just like factory farming, industrial, you know, monocultures. There's things that are like, more like the roots of that, and hierarchy and sort of things like that, but, you know, on the on the personal, like impact level, was just, I didn't want to eat a lot of chemical laden, you know, energetically, I guess, like non, you know, *hand motion* food that didn't come from, like the world, that I wanted to foster. So, you know, I think as we began, like, growing food ourselves and stuff to have the food that we wanted, that just, you know, you're both like the driver and you're like, hooked along for that ride. It's like a journey that you start and goes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=588.0,641.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and I might add that too, yeah, farming and becoming friends with other farmers, whether it was people who raised animals or produce, I think, has been really healing for, for mending the relationship to food or the mistrust of food, and has really helped kinda create, like a better, a better way of eating for us. I will say, when I think about my relationship to food, it's always been tenuous, like when I was in my early, in my early teens and some of my 20s, definitely struggling with eating disorders. I really think that, that growing my own food and really like deeply nourishing myself, I felt safe to eat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=641.0,685.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So was that also a part of your time working in hospice care? I remember you talked about how sort of your ideas about food and food environments were also changing when you worked.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=685.0,701.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that all kind of, yeah, there was, actually it's interesting, during my time in hospice care, I did have another bout with, with eating disorders and some anorexia, and I think that, like, in healing that it was just about kind of coming, coming back around to, to, to trying to really nourish myself and figure out how, how one goes about doing that and mending the relationship too to like, to meat as well, I think was really important, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=701.0,736.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Was that also part of your journey with, like, health food pathways—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=736.0,741.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, absolutely, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=741.0,745.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e And now you, are both of you vegetarian? Are you not vegetarian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=745.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e No, we're not vegetarian, but we do try to eat mostly locally raised meat, yeah, from, from producers that we know, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=750.0,761.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e So then what was, I'm curious, after hospice, what was your, you mentioned you were starting to grow small gardens. What was this like introduction to maybe I, you know, want to be involved in in agriculture in a big way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=761.0,778.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I think for me, it was just like really being tired of just working all these, you know, besides hospice work, like working in bookstores, working at restaurants, just all these little jobs and just really wanting to figure out what I could do that would—where I would be, my own boss, with my own schedule, doing something that I love, while also being tapped into community, feeding community, and something in a way that could be like a little fist raised too, you know, like the activism piece, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=778.0,812.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e So were you already in Atlanta when you were thinking about these things?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=812.0,817.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I sure was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=817.0,818.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e So you went from Riverdale then straight to…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=818.0,821.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yep. Basically, yeah, yeah, as soon as I was, yeah, late teens moved out of the house and, and moved up to Atlanta.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=821.0,829.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, great. And then was it similar for you, Chris, of moving to Atlanta right after you sort of left your childhood home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=829.0,838.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I moved into town and was going to college for at least a brief period of time. Yeah, it's not a very big distance, you know, 20, 20, minutes or something, from where I grew up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=838.0,852.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah. So is this also the place then where you two met?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=852.0,857.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e In Atlanta? It sure is. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=857.0,859.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you tell me that story of how you met?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=859.0,862.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, go ahead, babe. *hand motion from Chris* So I guess, yeah, 17 years ago, I had actually moved out of the city and was living in Murphy, North Carolina on about 75 acres helping these two lovely women kind of just like over winter their farm. I didn't really have much agricultural experience to speak of, but it was a way for me to kind of, I was like leaving a toxic relationship at the time. It was a way for me to just kind of reset, live in their little cabin and delve deeper into the things and the life that I wanted, and that actually was very formative for me, because just meeting all those other folks out there who are I like the, the locally grown community and the DIY community and folks from Asheville and folks who hang out at the folks school and just seeing like this other way to live, yeah, and then finally coming back to Atlanta, knowing that I wanted to come back to Atlanta, and kind of start a new and start fresh, but with like the intention of figuring out how to, like, bring those values here. Yeah, and it wasn't long after that I moved here that my friend said, Oh, there's this house show where you know a band playing at a house, and you should come to it, and it was starting really, like, late in the evening, and I almost didn't go, but at the last second, I decided to go, and I walk into the house and there's like this couch with some folks sittin’ and Chris was sitting on the couch, and he kind of just, like, had like this beautiful, like Australian leather hat on and he, like, looked up at me when we, like, made eye contact, and I don't know how, but we ended up outside talking, and we just kept talking and talking, and then everybody was moving to, like, another party from there, and I got in the car with my friends and said, I think I just met the person I could spend the rest of my life with, and he got in the car with his friends and said he just met his woman, and he moved in with me, like, four days later, and we've been together ever since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=862.0,1001.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e That is, that is a really sweet story. What made that initial conversation so formative? Do you remember what some of the things you talked about?\n\n \n\n[0:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1001.0,1011.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]\n\nIC: Go ahead, babe, fill it in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1011.0,1013.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't remember. You was pretty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1013.0,1018.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we definitely talked about our values and about the love of nature. I think it was just the love of nature and wanting to do something meaningful with our lives. Both of our interests in homesteading and I, you know, wanting to, to buy land. But, yeah, I definitely think it was like our deep love of nature that really kind of spurred on, like this really passionate conversation with one another.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1018.0,1046.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I can't remember what we were like, spoke about initially, you know, the high moments, but I know by the end of the night, we're like, Let's buy some land in the mountains, which we're still working on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1046.0,1059.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e So you both have this, yeah, this vision of, of buying land, of working on it. How much later was it that that sort of came to fruition with Crack in the Sidewalk? What was that process like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1059.0,1074.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, we, when we moved to this neighborhood, we, we'd been together like six months, going on a year or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1074.0,1083.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e It was like going on a year. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1083.0,1084.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And a friend of ours, who's, who's another farmer found, found our old house, which is across the street from where we're at now, and, you know, it was just like a cool spot. Had, you know, two little houses, and we knew we could have a garden there, and, and whatnot, and it was like, maybe the next year, it was just like, I was looking more at things, and, you know, we knew we wanted to do this thing, we could get to the country, but it was like, let's see what we could do here. You know, we were friends with the people who started and were managing the East Atlanta farmer’s market, so there was, like, you know, like, a couple little stray ideas of just, like, how we could just, like, make a jump and kind of fuck around and find out, and, and it was supposed to just be like, Oh, we'll do this right now ‘cause we're here and, you know, not wait, it's just kind of built up and had, like, a life of its own. It's a longer transition towards getting rural.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1084.0,1159.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e So you mentioned that there were some people in this neighborhood that you already knew before you moved into it. I'm interested in like, how did you not, sorry, did you not mention that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1159.0,1175.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't. I don't think I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1175.0,1176.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I don’t know if I did either, but, oh, but people already in the farming community at the markets that we already knew— That you already knew. That you already knew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1176.0,1184.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e That you already knew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1184.0,1184.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e That you already knew. That you already knew. —friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1184.0,1185.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm interested in what the role of community has been for you and like establishing crack in the sidewalk. Yeah, the role of other agriculturalists, people at markets, like, how is that impacted you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1185.0,1204.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Go ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1204.0,1205.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Like I was saying a moment ago, I mean, it…just even the awareness that there was things, even just allowed the idea to even get off the ground to kind of like—and we started with, like, no experience, no *hand motion*. We didn't have the tools. We didn't have the land. We just nothing. It was just like, basically the desire to, to learn how to grow food well, and that seeming like you had to spend all your time to do that, therefore you have to be able to make some money. Just like, How does this work? And the Farmers Market scene at that point in Atlanta was very small. I mean, you had some older established markets, like Morningside and maybe a Peachtree Road was going at the time, but that kind of kind of felt like a different world. And the EAV (East Atlanta Village) Farmers Market was this tiny little thing on a on the Ace Hardware parking lot that was like a slope like this *hand motion of arm at a 45 degree angle* and was brutal in the summer, but, you know, our friend Tesher was, was the manager at the time, and we're just like, If we grow some tomatoes, can we show up, you know, and the farmers that were there already were, were cool with, you know, letting us greenhorns in and, and that really got us some mentors, some older couple farmers that are down in Fairburn, the Scharkos, Tony and Linda, really helped a lot, showed us a lot of ropes, and—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1205.0,1297.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I would say—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1297.0,1298.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e We were like friends with three generations of their family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1298.0,1301.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I would say that that farmers really gravitate towards one another, because we, we understand what the other people are going through, like what we're each going through as a farmer, and what that looks like, and the hardships, and always willing to bat around, around ideas or losses or joys and just really like leaning on one another, especially at that time when there weren't as many. It was very tight knit community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1301.0,1327.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Very small, very tight knit and, like, no sense of, like, being competitors, like, we were all, like, we are building this thing and then working with chefs and, like, kind of the whole food scene that Atlanta's had in the trenches of that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1327.0,1344.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e And how has that changed over time, you think, your relationship to community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1344.0,1349.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, you know, small is beautiful. It's really weird, like on one hand, you want to see things grow and thrive. Sometimes the bigger things get, the more isolated—isolating it can be, you know, and and so just trying to find ways to keep tapping in and keep meeting new people, but the community is still there, and it's really, really strong, but there's definitely more nonprofit organizations, more, more middlemen, more people that you feel like, that you're not really connected to, that just want in on the action in some way, so I would say that for me, there's been some sense of like not feeling as connected to the community, because it feels so big and there's just so many new people in it, but also trying to, to form like new relationships and keep that feeling alive in the best way that I can.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1349.0,1413.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e What do—what does like “in on the action” mean for you in terms of the way that like community is maybe changing around food?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1413.0,1422.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say, whether it's, this is just gonna sound so, like, greedy, but like, just like every, everybody wanting to be a farmer and trying to get into the markets, which really isn't graceful of me, because we wanted to be farmers, and people were kind enough, but there is, like, a saturation point that we've kind of hit now, and I definitely think that we need to have lots of people growing, so it's not that, and, you know, it's, it's, I think it's just the feeling of, of not really knowing everybody, not, not knowing people's intentions or why they're doing it, or, or even feeling more, more people being more competitive and not really interested in having, like, that closer relationship, like feeling like, somehow that's dissolved, like the desires for people to have closer relationships and, and lean in on one another, I think it's kind of, have faded, and then also getting in on the action, like, there's constantly being approached by middlemen, like, Let me buy this food and I'll move it for you, you know, and always offering, like, a lower price than what we can sell it for ourselves. There's a whole lot of that, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1422.0,1498.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e And what have, what's like gone into the relationships that you have maintained throughout all of these years? Like, I'm interested in learning more about how, like, these people have shaped you and how you've maintained relationships with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1498.0,1513.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I would say that a lot of the maintaining the relationships have been around, you know, sharing meals together, having fun, like, on-farm events that that kind of act as like a community glue between us all. Like some of the other women, I'm like, best friends with, you know, I still just talk to them almost every other day, or go and hang out, or go see movies, or just whatever, just like, just like normal, normal friends. How would you answer that question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1513.0,1549.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean I think it's pretty normal for, like, a farmer who goes to market to that be there, like, that's their only social time, you know.\n\nIC: Especially the more isolated farmers out in the country.\n\n I know, you know, Garrett, who started out with us, it's like, the only time he's around other humans or something and he’ll just like go feral or something without it, but, you know, it really becomes, I mean, these are, you know, maybe it's your peers or something, but, I mean, we've all helped each other, we all, you know, talk shop, and, like, no one really understands what it's like to be a farmer, unless you've are or have been a farmer, because the realities are they have a lot in common with sort of the idealistic picture, and then a lot more, the devil's in the details and the repetition and just like the granularity of the day to day grind of it. A lot of history with people","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1549.0,1612.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Isa, you mentioned specifically sort of your interactions with other women who are also farming. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1612.0,1621.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1621.0,1621.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. Is that like an important shared experience in your relationships?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1621.0,1628.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. I would say, luckily things have changed, but when I first started, people would, especially older men, would say things to me all the time, like, You grew this? You're too pretty to be a farmer. Or, Where's the farmer? Where's your husband? You know, so just standing up and being like, women can farm, and here are all these other women who are farming has been really important, and leaning on each other, to, you know, to kind of, in solidarity, about like, what kind of complex creatures we are, how we love getting’ dirty and wallowing in the dirt, but then how we also love, like, a beautiful lipstick and a lovely dress and to get gussied up and to do these things, you know, and how we like identify as, as a woman farmer, or a woman identifying farmer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1628.0,1681.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e I’m going to take a brief break.\n\n \n\n*cut in recording*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1681.0,1686.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e So, Isa, just returning to what you were saying about the experiences of being a woman and also being a farmer, you mentioned sort of people's expectations of like not thinking that you're the farmer, not thinking that you're the one that has grown what you've produced. Have those responses changed over time at all? Or, like, has the visibility of women in farming changed for you in any way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1686.0,1714.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e It really has, and I think there's been a lot pushing it. A lot of the, like, the organization, the umbrella that we're under that runs our farmers markets is women led, and they have really pushed a lot to have—like Lady Locavores is a is a celebration of women in the Good Food Movement that happens in March. Georgia Organics sometimes will highlight like women. There's a lot of, like, the bigger organizations have done a lot to highlight women or women identifying folks in the movement, and I think that's really helped. Also, just as people's attitudes have changed and have met more women farmers and the Me Too Movement and just all that, everything that's happening, the whirlwind of it all, has kind of elevated women in the farming world. We're not, like I don't feel invisible anymore. For a long time, I felt invisible, like when people would write articles about us, Chris would oftentimes, even like the photograph of us, like I would be kind of over here and Chris would be in the center. You know, it wasn't something that maybe, like most people would pick up on or even think about, but I could always see it, like there was very much, like, this kind of, like, invisibility, but that's, that's has shifted. Definitely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1714.0,1793.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm interested, is there any invisibility in terms of age, because you mentioned that you guys started farming when you were a bit younger, was it, was like, was age difference is ever something you felt?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1793.0,1806.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I would definitely say, from the get go, something that I noticed in the farming community, especially in younger, hipper Atlanta, that, that people gravitate towards beautiful people, right? They want to shop from like that person, and that I feel like younger, hipper farmers are very attractive to people, and that I think that we do have older farmers in our community who don't feel a scene, who put in the hard work, who moved on from our markets, because they don't quite get like the customer base that they used to, because of just like the drive of like the younger farmer. So I don't really feel that now, I feel like I have a really good, strong customer base, and people know us, but I think, I think in general, with age, especially for women, the older you get, the more invisible I think society kind of treats you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1806.0,1869.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I think we're like, kind of, we're like, kind of on the edge of being, maybe, becoming an older farmer now, but like, yeah, the people who were, you know, mentors to us and stuff, like, there was, there was some period where, like, social media become a lot bigger part of just, like, operating a business, and, you know, like, we didn't even really engage with that for quite a while, but like, the folks that are older than us, just like they're not, they're not learning new tricks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1869.0,1905.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e And I really think that played a part in pushing them out and kind of isolating them, because so much of the world now in your business operates using social media, Instagram.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1905.0,1916.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you guys use…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1916.0,1917.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I do, yeah. I don't, I don't push it a lot. I'm not, you know, being like, Oh, it's today, I gotta do at least one story, but I try to put out, like, a couple stories a week, and try to do like a photo a week, and, you know, I don't have, like, super high engagement all the time, but, but that's okay, you know, I kind of just do my thing and have my relationships with the customers and continue to just focus on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1917.0,1945.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So you mentioned this sort of younger population that is maybe showing up more to farmers markets than some people are used to, and I'm interested you sort of mentioned this bare bones set up at the East Atlanta village farmers market when you were starting out. So like, how has the social environment of community farmers markets in Atlanta also changed since you've been involved?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1945.0,1976.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I would say when we had a limited number of markets that people who love food and who love to like prepare weekly meals from supporting the local food scene would come out and shop at those markets, and they were very, very dedicated, and a lot of them would be people with families or people a little bit older, and also like younger, like younger couples would do, like their serious grocery shopping, but I find, as a demographic, that younger people will maybe make one or two meals at home and then go out to eat, just as an umbrella statement about our city. Over time, the more markets we have, the scene has shifted with Freedom Market, with kind of you know, that area having older, older wealth and an older clientele, they will go and shop for, like, the whole week, and at Grant Park that attracts, I think, a younger crowd, and we're definitely supported from, from those shoppers, but there's definitely more of, like, a I'm gonna buy, like, this one thing and a bouquet, but not like serious, like food preparation for the week.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=1976.0,2057.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think there's, it's just maybe add on to that, you know, it's just like demographic changes throughout the city and in different neighborhoods, and as we've had more markets arise, it's just, you might have had, you know, people who would drive, I don't know, three, five miles to go to a market, and then they get the market in their own neighborhood, so you, you see people less often, but you know that used to might be regulars, or, or people might go to several markets a week, and so they, you know, pick up a little bit here and there, so there's just a change, and there was that kind of, like, younger like, like, starting out families who were like, really, kind of like the backbone of support when we were starting out. I mean, we were much smaller, and it was like someone who really supports you as, like, their farmer made a big difference, whereas now it's a lot more, just like volume of sales of, you know, little bits, I think is kind of a bigger part of the pie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=2057.0,2127.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=2127.0,2128.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Have you guys felt any of these, or some of these, demographic shifts in this neighborhood, or does it feel isolated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=2128.0,5727.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, there's definitely been demographic shifts in this neighborhood. When we moved here, it was definitely in that like term, like blighted, what they would consider blighted, food desert community, a struggling community, and that was 15, 16, years ago, and we didn't live in this house, we lived across the street, and now with investors and gentrification happening, this space has definitely been changing, and this, yeah. I would say that that Chris and I were really some of the only, like, white folks here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=5727.0,5778.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e under the age of, like 70.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=5778.0,5779.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Under the age of 70, who were here and that that has shifted a lot, and there's definitely, yeah, I think, like the sales of the houses and the flipping have definitely changed the demographics around here. I think the whole impact has been good and bad. I definitely think that, like with this becoming more of a, a place with more eyes on it, more things, some really cool things have been highlighted, like the food forest, the brown smell food forest that's over there, and although, like the awesome community action that happens there with older people in the neighborhood and younger people in the neighborhood, and that's been really beautiful, but I kind of lost my train of thought. I keep doing that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=5779.0,5833.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e No worries at all. I, yeah, I'm so, sort of, when we're talking about these, witnessing these demographic changes, you know, going from living in a food desert to, you know, having the population of the neighborhood change and access change. I'm interested like, has that affect, has that affected the way that you sell or distribute produce to people in the neighborhood? Like, have you guys always sold at markets further into the city, and are there any markets in, you know, South Atlanta that are closer to you than, like, you know, Freedom or Grant Park?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=5833.0,5874.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I would say that when we any kind of food distribution that's happened here, it's been us giving food to our neighbors, not selling to our neighbors. We have done like a couple pop-ups over the years, just in the yards. We did at one point down the street at—what's the name of that coffee shop that's down there? I think it’s common grounds. I think it’s common grounds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=5874.0,5899.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it’s common grounds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=5899.0,5899.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it’s common grounds. I think it’s common grounds. Common grounds. We were talking with the owners there, how amazing it would be to have, like, a farmer’s market there, and, you know, telling them about like the Wholesome Wave program that doubles EBT for people, and how to make that more accessible. I think the double-edged sword is that being able to provide food to struggling communities, but also being able to grow the food and make a living, so luckily, like we do have, like the Wholesome Wave programs that help all people access good food, but I do think that that conundrum pushed us more into like Grant Park. EAV, the East Atlanta farmers market, really serves a wider base of customers, which was, has always been nice people on the whole, like financial spectrum and, yeah, just all kinds of people, so I feel like we were able to serve, like, a wider community and serve those needs through that. But yeah, here, it would just be like, all the time, like, Here's this and here's that, and just givin’, givin’ food, not, not selling it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=5899.0,5970.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, kinda, being neighborly. I mean, I don't think, I mean, we've never, markets never been more than four or five miles away for us, llike, it's not much travel, and then it's just kind of like there's no real division between the farm and our home, and so there is some sort of, like, privacy kind of things that you know, just come into play of— Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=5970.0,5993.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=5993.0,5993.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. —not always being a place of business here, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=5993.0,5998.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, not wanting to invite just everybody, which has always been kind of hard, you know, you want to be neighborly, but also, like, the sense of protecting your space, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=5998.0,6009.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I want to pivot a little bit now to talk more specifically about Crack in the Sidewalk and how it operates, and how you guys do what you do, and I know we talked a lot at the beginning of the interview about values that you guys had around eating food that's chemical free, like communal living, this love of nature. I'm interested in how did all of that transfer to the way that you guys farm? It's a big question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6009.0,6050.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, this farm did not have a master plan. We did not know what we were doing all that much. It was very much like, this is the learning curve, and it was like, sort of like desire work to start out, and you, you learn through trial and error and from like other people in the community, you can be like direct mentors, and you know, kind of the influences of permaculture and older… just the older, like, sort of, like early organic food literature and stuff from, like, the earlier half of the 20th century. It's pretty interesting stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6050.0,6099.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you talk more about what permaculture is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6099.0,6102.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Permaculture, it’s kind of like a collection of, I mean, it promotes itself as a design science, mostly associated with growing food and agriculture. The word is, you know, a combination permanent agriculture that was coined by a gentleman, Bill Mollison, with his students, David Holmgren in the 70s or something in Australia, and a lot of it's like, sort of like a best practices for conditions. It's sort of a pattern language of techniques to use in specific situations to *air quotes* mimic nature, to grow food. It has like an ethics system that's attached to *air quotes* science-science, so it's like Earth care, people care, and return of surplus, I think is like the simplest way it's usually put.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6102.0,6167.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e And is that part of your strategy here, this like combination of ethics and farming, like, how do you experience that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6167.0,6177.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I would definitely say so. You know, our values definitely shape the way that we farm. You know, not using pesticides or chemicals, our relationship to the earth and to the soil, wanting to leave things better than when we found it, thinking about how food can shape communities and shape and feed communities. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6177.0,6203.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don't, it's, it's hard to imagine, like, farming that's not intimately tied with whatever your, your ethics are. I mean, it's either, you know, anything that isn't is going to be, you know, essentially a corporate thing that's, you know, not a farm in the way that we think of. I mean, even for you know, conventional farmers, even if it's just like keeping up a family tradition, like, that's an ethics and value. Definitely say for us, it's like, you know, whatever, sustainability and community and all those things, like, shape, how we do everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6203.0,6246.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Has, has the method changed over the years, as you guys have learned new techniques and, you know, struggled with certain things, how has that been?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6246.0,6257.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think we've gotten better at some things. So, we are a dry farm. We don't have any kind of irrigation system that we use, except for buckets when we need them, water, and at first, that was really a struggle, and with climate change, it oftentimes is even more of a struggle. Climate change has really affected farming, which is something I can touch base on some more little bit later, but, yeah, we have, just through trial and error and learning about other dry farming methods, but mostly trial and area—error, have really come up with, like, awesome techniques in ways of planting that help the water that's already in the ground to really support the root system for like the growth of the plants. That's, that's one example that I can think of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6257.0,6317.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e In your approach using dry farming, was that because of water shortages? Because of sustainability goals?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6317.0,6324.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I think, for me, when I think about the word sustainability, I think it's thrown around by a lot of farms who use a lot of water, a lot of plastic, a lot of energy on their farms, and, maybe it's a judgment, but I don't find their definition of sustainable being truly sustainable, and I think for me it's about just trying to close the those loops of the resources, and trying to just work with what we have, and not wanting to use as many of those things and—but it's tempting. don't get me wrong. Farming is, to make the money, it's like controlling as many variables as you can, and sees an extension, and nothing like a little mister setup to help you get that lettuce in the summertime, but oftentimes that you only get, like, a little bit, and you're using a lot of water, and you know, it has a lot of its own problems. So, sustainability is a plastic word. That's one of those plastic words that get thrown around a lot. We have to really ask ourselves, what does it mean, and what does that mean for my farm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6324.0,6390.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm curious, do you use a different word? Is there a word that you'd like more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6390.0,6394.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e No, there really isn't, and just to make it easier for other people, I use the word sustainability, but you know, even like the word organic, like, you know, people ask, Are you organic? And I'm like, Yes, but you know, that's also like a really big net, so sometimes we'll be like, Oh, we're beyond organic, or we have more, you know, or a holistic farm, or maybe we have just like, you know, very specific practices, and, that are tied up with, like our, our desire to make the place, leave it better than when we found it. You know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6394.0,6430.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e What about you? Do you have a better word than sustainability?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6430.0,6433.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, yeah, I mean the word feels very cheap nowadays. I mean, with the water thing. I mean not irrigating, I mean, that, I think that's a lot about resilience and stuff and being, you know, more, like, flex, you know, to meet the flexible conditions with your own adaptability, but, you know, grab bags of words and for things, you know, we're not big label collectors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6433.0,6466.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say that our foraging has really helped us, and, you know, that word resilience, not just being, not depending on growing like these very specific, this very specific list of produce, but being able to forage, being able to grow flowers that really tap root down and thrive in the summertime, it's kind of like, Okay, here's the conditions, here's our parameters. What can we bring to the table within those parameters without changing too much our like, what our farm stands for, what practices that are ingrained within our farm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6466.0,6504.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I am, just recall, I think regenerative is probably the word that is, most in the role where sustainability used to, but it'll, it'll fall to corporate interests any day now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6504.0,6518.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e So, speaking of resilience, could you talk more about that relationship between how climate change has changed the way that people are farming, and then also maybe how that has affected you, has affected [unintelligible]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6518.0,6532.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I think, you know, just speaking, like on the bigger picture, you know, more farms in California have been failing and struggling, and, you know, we're seeing more of a shift of, like, those bigger farms moving to areas in Tennessee where you have, like, more rainfall, and like, I think that we're seeing farms and where people are growing moving on the map because of those climate change issues, and even here in Georgia, talking to farmers, you know, like, wow, it's getting harder. We've had less rain. Things are undependable. More, more stressed plants attracting more pests, so more, more disease, pest pressure, just like, kind of, when you farm for many, many years, you kind of have, like, the pattern of the weather is just kind of in your bones, as well as, like, the unpredictability of that is in your bones, but over the past, like five, six years, it's become even more unpredictable, you know, than things that, systems that you might have had in place or may do, that you suddenly have to shift. For example, like that three day deep freeze. A lot of farmers are really impacted by that. A lot of us down here in the South use a very lightweight row cover, because we don't normally need much more, but even with that on, a lot of farmers like experience that deep freeze, and so now we're thinking, Okay, because of climate change, maybe we all need to buy, like, a much heavier weight row cover that the folks more like Minnesota, or just wherever, where they use, so we're having to flex and change and kind of collect more tools, you know, because of that. I think, yeah. What do you think, babe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6532.0,6647.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I think it goes back to, like, for me, like, just starting out with ideas of resilience towards just kind of anything that comes and, I mean, you learn to roll with the punches. I think there's sort of a joke about, like, Georgia weather always being, and always has been, kind of erratic. I do wonder, like, you get a few years and you're like, It feels like we're moving into, like, a wet, dry climate pattern, but, you know, then you'll get another different year that's vastly different, and you wanna, you know, not have all your eggs in like, one basket, you know, so you, whatever conditions come that some things will do well, and others might need a bit more assistance in a given year, and other things that just they’re like, We love this, whatever. Who needs water?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6647.0,6697.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, if you're rigid as a farmer, you'll break, and if you're rigid and are trying to control all the variables, I think it's, it's just madness making, because you're just going to end up spending more and more money to try to control all these things that you, you can't control, and I don't know it's, being a farmer is wild. Sometimes you wake up, you're like, Why am I doing this? You know? But for me, like, I think growing flowers was kind of my shift away from, like, the unpredictability. I mean, and honestly, like, I have, I have dahlias over here, and they love water, so I will use the water hose more on them, like this, later in the season to try to get more bloom, so, you know, I've had to say, Okay, where can I be flexible if I want this thing? But definitely planting, like I said, more things that, that really deeply tap root and that can be more flexible with the weather that we have and that we're experiencing. I definitely feel like, yeah, that whole like control, like trying to control things. You know, the more that you try to control things, I think the harder time you have adapting to all the changes. Even though a lot of those controls can help you, but there's always going to be another thing, and then the next thing you know, a tornado comes and rips all your hoop houses and all your systems apart, and, you know, it's kinda, small is beautiful, less is more, you know, yeah, kind of thing for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6697.0,6795.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e That's great. So, yeah, I guess as we're sort of thinking about the future, thinking about the years to come, and then also, as we sort of start to wrap up, I'm interested in your thoughts about what is important moving forward in the, the food system in Atlanta, especially, and, or even like, your thoughts about what a utopian food system looks like? I really like asking people to, like, imagine what, what that could look like one day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6795.0,6832.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I'll answer the utopian one first. I think, so permaculture is, you know, like Browns Mill food forest has done this really beautiful thing with trying to plant, like, all kinds of fruit trees and community garden and nut trees, so this idea is that it's a shared space for the neighborhood where people can come and like, pick, like, nuts or fruit and have those relationships, or gather herbs if they need them. I think the utopian idea for me would be having those kinds of places, like, in every neighborhood, to have those gardens available to everyone, and for those who are selling food, for there to be an expected fair price and an understanding of that work, to not have poor migrant workers who are being abused and pushed into like, slave-like conditions, and then your everyday consumer not understanding what's where that food is coming from, like, you know, to just have those systems trashed to begin with, and just have better food accessibility and just a better relationship to food and valuing food. Like truly valuing food and valuing the work that goes into it and growing it. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6832.0,6910.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I guess, as far as the, I don't really like the word utopia, but, or systems, so I think the best food system we could have is like one that is not a system where people don't have any distance between them and the production of food, like, it's, there's no mental or physical distance. You know, she spoke about the food forest and, and from what we, you know, spoke about foraging like, like, you know, the Atlanta is a city and forest or whatever, I mean, that's we're losing some of that, but, like, food is even still everywhere. People might not recognize it, and, you know, they definitely don't utilize it, but that could be vastly increased, and, I mean, that's essentially what this continent was. You know, the entire continent was people in relationship with the environment, and it produced everything they needed. That was, that was not recognized as a form of agriculture to Europeans, but, you know, the North American species that were food producing like vast importance to the people who were here, you know. All that was worked with and cultivated and related to for centuries, and something like that will hopefully arise over several more centuries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6910.0,6994.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think it's tricky, you know, because it's also like, Well, how much, you know, we have, you just get into conversations about population and, and how many people we have inhabiting. How do you feed all those people? How do you, how do you encourage the idea of foraging without putting too much pressure on the plants and over harvesting? You know? But in this utopia that we're talking about, there is abundance, and there's lots of gardens and, and there's plenty. There's plenty for everyone, so, in the fantasy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=6994.0,7028.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e I think there's a lot more food than people think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=7028.0,7033.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, thank you for those wonderful answers and for a wonderful interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=7033.0,7098.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. Thank you for doing this, and it's always nice, I feel like, for us to sit down and tell our story, because it helps us reflect on where we've been and where we're going and who we are, so thank you guys.\n\n \n\n*cut in recording*","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=7098.0,10652.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e So we're just picking up with what Chris was saying about the way the dry farming works.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=10652.0,10658.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I mean, I think it was, you know, permaculture has a lot of that kind of stuff about being water resilient. There was an author of gardening books that was pretty influential on us early on, Steve Solomon, and he operates a website called, or it's the Soil and Health Library that, just like, has digitalized, like, whole books that have been out of print and out of copyright, that's really interesting stuff. You can see, like, sort of the soil conservation stuff from like, the 20s and 30s, like post dust bowl and a lot of their like, research on dry farming, and you can look at those texts, and a lot of it, you know, for here, I mean, this is the southeast. It's, it's a wet, humid climate—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=10658.0,10705.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e And that red clay really holds on to the moisture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=10705.0,10707.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we work with our, with our clays, and a lot of it's just about giving things more distance between them. A lot of people come from, like, the idea of, like, French intensive gardening, which is, like, cram as much into a space as you can, which is really, you know, you need high fertility and high water, you know, whereas you just give things a little bit more room and they, they're allowed to, like, stretch out their roots, stretch out their leaves, and not be in like, competition so quickly, and then just this over time, like, building up the soil fertility and structure, and over seasons and seasons allowing, like, roots to be able to get deeper and hit that clay that really is such a, you know, just a reserve of water and nutrients. You know, dealing with getting rid of compaction and topsoil loss and remineralization—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=10707.0,10763.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e We’ve moved away from tilling a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=10763.0,10766.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e —down here, we didn't get the last ice age, so our soils are very old, kind of tired, ‘cause the Ice Ages are kind of like a re mineralization process, like renews the land by scraping it to nothing. [shrugs] Learn as you go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=10766.0,14267.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e With spreading out your crops more, how has that practice maybe intersected with like acquiring land that you use for Crack in the Sidewalk, and is it all, is all of the land that you use to farm connected to this space? Or is it, is it piecemeal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14267.0,14414.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e It’s piecemeal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14414.0,14415.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's so we like, we started over there. We moved down here couple years before the 2008 crash, and this was a pretty, like every house around us, for the most part, was vacant, boarded up, kind of derelict. Couple that were rentals. So, we just kind of we moved down here because it was no man's land, and we can kind of do what we want, and so we kind of worked things out with the property owners to, like, expand, like, the cracks expanding, and then eventually, when we felt like we needed a bigger expansion, there's a church maybe a half mile from here that is our largest cultivated space, and we just were like, We'll come back on Sunday and we'll ask for the pastor, and it ended up being Easter, which we didn't realize, and asked for the pastor there, and we're just like, We want to talk to you about growing some food back there, and he's just like, Go for it. That's the extent of our—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14415.0,14475.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and they’ll come and grab stuff when they want some things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14475.0,14478.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e We’ve work with each other, but like, he didn't know who we were. What church is that? What church is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14478.0,14485.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e What church is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14485.0,14485.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e What church is that? What church is that? It's Holy Hill, on constitution, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14485.0,14490.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e So, did switching to flowers change a lot of the practices that you were used to, or?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14490.0,14497.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Not really, the foundation was still there, but I would definitely see over time that I have moved towards a more no till. Like, I do like to, like, while we don't use plastic mulch, I will use, like, tarps, like trying to get a bed ready, use some tarps. A lot of farmers in the no till, they'll do like a cover crop, and then they'll tarp it and let all that green manure, kind of like die down, and then crimping it and mushing it, and then broad forking it, like using this tool called, there's a broad, there's two broad forks right there, so you, like, slam those in the ground, and then you use the bars, and you roll the roll the soil up, and then from there, incorporating like other like fertility and compost, and using those systems more have, have been, I think, really good for, like the yields and just my relationship to the land, not using the tiller as much, because I also am doing, like, more successions with the flowers. It's nice to, to know that I have something that's going to, to be pretty much ready. I feel like, with tractors, with that heavy soil compaction, there's like, Oh, you know, if it's rained too much, you can't roll over the soil, so you're really limited by, like, your windows of using the tractors or the tillers, so no till kind of helps you to work better within climate change, honestly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14497.0,14593.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e With clay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14593.0,14594.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e And with clay, yeah, yeah. A lot of times I have a sense, I'm like, Am I just like rambling, or did I use other questions? You, please redirect me, if I went to like left field.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14594.0,14608.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e You totally have been on the mark. No worries at all, and this is a space for rambling, I would say. Any final thoughts? Anything else that you want to mention that you haven’t said already?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14608.0,14628.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I will say, I might have mentioned this before, but this is our last year, officially. Crack in the Sidewalk will be closing its doors, in a way. I might still grow some flowers. We might have a small CSA, ‘cause we still need to make an income, but with how competitive land is right now, we're trying to find land and the prices, just trying to find something within our financial window that we can afford. We need to have more time and opportunity, and we also need to really be able to, like, work on this house that needs deep renovations and work, that we've decided that, that the farm just takes too much, like, even with just me doing it, it's like, I just feel like my time is so drawn away from, from us and the house and all these other needs, so we're gonna let go so that we can make room. We still want to be farming, you know, like, we'll have our home garden, like, all this mess out here, this is like home garden stuff for us, not like stuff we take to market, except for the dahlias is way over there. We still want to be home gardening, home growing, but then when we get land, like, I want to start up again with, like, flowers and, and all of that, so we're not we're not closing down ourselves as farmers, we're just tabling it for now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14628.0,14708.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e And is there someone that you're passing off existing land to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14708.0,14712.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e So, the intention with Keelan was to provide an opportunity for him to grab onto if that was something that he wanted, and, you know, I told him that he didn't have to promise us anything, but he definitely grabbed onto that opportunity, but now new opportunities have opened up for him and his partner, and they're going to be moving on, yeah, and so we decided it was the perfect time to kind of just, kind of close the door.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14712.0,14745.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Retire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14745.0,14746.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, in a way for now. Shortly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14746.0,14748.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eCC:\u003c/strong\u003e It's time to leave the like—","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14748.0,14750.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e To take a break. Go have other adventures.\n\n \n\nCC: This has been a classroom. Let’s see what we can do on a larger, larger palette.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14750.0,14758.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eEP:\u003c/strong\u003e Great. Thank you guys again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14758.0,14760.0"},{"id":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308/transcript/80736/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIC:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you. \n\n[TRANSCRIPTION END]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://aviary.libraries.emory.edu/collections/3252/collection_resources/146054/file/269308#t=14760.0,14762.5"}]}]}]}